Anthropic’s Distillation Allegations and the Debate Over AI Training Data

Matthew Berman examines Anthropic’s allegations against three Chinese AI labs, the criticism of its own training practices, and the geopolitical claims surrounding the dispute.

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In this February 2026 video, Matthew Berman discusses Anthropic’s allegation that DeepSeek, Moonshot AI and MiniMax used networks of accounts to obtain Claude outputs for model development. He explains distillation, reviews Anthropic’s account of the activity, and considers skeptical responses and questions about the company’s own use of copyrighted works. Berman also discusses a separate allegation about DeepSeek’s access to Nvidia chips and speculates about the US–China AI race. The claims about particular labs, the motives of users and the future balance of capabilities should be read as allegations or commentary, not established findings.

  1. 1Anthropic names three labsThe company alleged over 24,000 fraudulent accounts and 16 million exchanges with Claude. Its report attributed the activity using metadata, infrastructure and other indicators.
  2. 2Distillation and accessBerman explains how a smaller model can learn from a stronger one. Anthropic argues that unauthorized extraction can transfer capabilities without the original model’s safeguards.
  3. 3Three alleged campaignsThe company reported more than 150,000 exchanges for DeepSeek, 3.4 million for Moonshot and 13 million for MiniMax, with different tasks and account patterns.
  4. 4Copyright criticismOnline critics contrasted Anthropic’s complaints with litigation over its own use of copyrighted material; the legal issues and allegations are not interchangeable.
  5. 5A challenge to the inferenceTheo argues that DeepSeek’s reported volume could be explained by benchmarking. Berman notes that an outside observer lacks the underlying request data.
  6. 6A separate chip allegationBerman discusses a post relaying a US official’s allegation that DeepSeek obtained restricted Nvidia Blackwell chips. He then speculates about what the allegations could mean for US and Chinese AI development.

Takeaways

  1. Anthropic alleged that three labs generated more than 16 million Claude exchanges through over 24,000 fraudulent accounts; its public report describes the company’s attribution, not an independent adjudication.
  2. Distillation uses outputs from one model to train another and can be a legitimate technique; whether a particular use is authorized depends on its circumstances.
  3. Anthropic described different activity patterns and targeted tasks for DeepSeek, Moonshot AI and MiniMax, while critics questioned whether the observed volume established the alleged purpose.
  4. Criticism of Anthropic’s own handling of copyrighted material has a distinct legal context: a 2025 court distinguished training copies from the retention of pirated books.
  5. Berman’s conclusions about relative national capabilities and a separate allegation about chips are speculative or attributed claims rather than proof of the labs’ practices.
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Anthropic’s accusation

Berman introduces Anthropic’s February 2026 allegations against DeepSeek, Moonshot AI and MiniMax. He previews both the company’s report and the criticism it drew.

Anthropic has named DeepSeek, Moonshot AI and MiniMax in an allegation that they extracted data from Claude through what it calls industrial-scale distillation attacks. These labs have produced widely discussed open-weight models, but the story is more complicated than a single accusation: the response online also challenged Anthropic’s own training practices.

Anthropic’s initial distillation allegation
SLIDE 1 / 5Anthropic’s initial distillation allegationThe post presents the company’s allegations and the reported account and exchange totals.

In its February 23, 2026 announcement, Anthropic said the three labs created more than 24,000 fraudulent accounts and generated over 16 million exchanges with Claude to extract capabilities for their own models. That is Anthropic’s account and attribution; the public announcement is not a court finding that the labs used the resulting data as alleged.

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How distillation works

He explains distillation and its ordinary uses, then describes Anthropic’s warning about safeguards and national security. These are the company’s risk arguments rather than proof of specific downstream uses.

Distillation is a common technique: a smaller model is trained using outputs from a stronger model. It can trade some quality for speed and lower cost, making models useful in settings such as local deployment or faster versions of frontier services. Distillation itself is not inherently improper; the dispute concerns how the other model was accessed and used.

Anthropic argues that a lab can use another model’s answers to obtain capabilities more quickly and cheaply, and warns that a model trained on those outputs might not preserve the original safeguards. It raises possible military, intelligence, surveillance, biological and cyber risks. Those are the company’s stated concerns, not evidence that these specific uses occurred.

My interpretation is that instead of independently collecting and preparing all the data needed for a training run, a competitor might obtain high-quality question-and-answer material from an existing model. Anthropic also argues that distillation can weaken the effect of US chip export controls; I think its concern is that models can gain capabilities through another route even when access to hardware is restricted.

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How the alleged campaigns differed

Berman reviews Anthropic’s claimed attribution and the tasks and traffic it associated with each lab. He discusses the company’s proposed response.

Anthropic says the activity used fraudulent accounts and proxy services and differed from ordinary usage. The company says it attributed campaigns with high confidence using IP correlations, request metadata, infrastructure indicators and, in some cases, information from industry partners. These are the indicators Anthropic reports; outsiders cannot independently inspect the underlying evidence from the announcement alone.

Anthropic’s description of the DeepSeek campaign
SLIDE 2 / 5Anthropic’s description of the DeepSeek campaignThe report lists the claimed volume, task categories and account patterns attributed to DeepSeek.

For DeepSeek, Anthropic reported more than 150,000 exchanges, a number I initially find surprisingly small. The company says requests targeted reasoning, rubric-based grading that could act as a reward signal, and alternatives to politically sensitive questions. It also described synchronized account traffic and shared payment methods as signs of coordinated load balancing.

Anthropic highlights prompts asking Claude to imagine and articulate step-by-step reasoning behind a completed answer. Such responses could supply synthetic reasoning-style training material, although a model’s imagined explanation is not proof that it reveals its actual hidden internal reasoning. Anthropic infers a training purpose from its observations; the public description does not independently establish the downstream training or its effect.

Moonshot and MiniMax activity in Anthropic’s report
SLIDE 3 / 5Moonshot and MiniMax activity in Anthropic’s reportThe report displays Moonshot’s alleged task categories and the exchange totals attributed to both labs.

Anthropic says the Moonshot campaign involved more than 3.4 million exchanges and targeted agentic reasoning, tool use, coding, data analysis, computer use and vision. It describes hundreds of accounts across access pathways and says request metadata matched public profiles of senior Moonshot staff. I wonder whether distillation could help explain strong tool use in some models, but that connection is my speculation, not a measured causal result.

For MiniMax, Anthropic reported more than 13 million exchanges focused on agentic coding, tool use and orchestration. It says that it observed the activity while the campaign was underway and saw requests shift toward a newer Claude model. The company says its response includes better detection, intelligence sharing, access controls and other countermeasures.

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Copyright and reactions

Online critics raise Anthropic’s own use of copyrighted works. Berman also discusses a skeptical alternative explanation for the DeepSeek traffic.

The online reaction turned to Anthropic’s own training data. A proposed community note accused it of using stolen material, and people pointed to litigation over books and songs. The cases need careful separation: in 2025, a federal judge found the use of books to train models at issue was fair use while holding that Anthropic’s retention of a central library of pirated books was not. A $1.5 billion books settlement was proposed; a separate music-publisher lawsuit sought damages and was an allegation, not a $3 billion settlement.

Elon Musk also criticized Anthropic and was challenged over the training practices of his own company, xAI. I see a broader argument about whether AI companies have relied on copyrighted material without permission. My sweeping claim that every frontier lab uses stolen data is an opinion, however, and copyright status, licensing, piracy and legal liability cannot all be inferred from that generalization.

I point to research in which an earlier Claude model was prompted to reproduce much of the Harry Potter text, and treat this as evidence in the training-data debate. Reproduction of text can raise serious questions about memorization, but it does not by itself establish the exact training corpus or resolve the legal status of its sources.

A critic challenges Anthropic’s report
SLIDE 4 / 5A critic challenges Anthropic’s reportTheo’s post shows a skeptical response to the company’s interpretation; the claim of dishonesty is his allegation.

Developer Theo challenged Anthropic’s report, arguing that DeepSeek’s reported 150,000 exchanges could be consistent with ordinary benchmarking; he compared the volume with daily usage of his own T3 Chat service. He accused Anthropic of lying and invited the company to share more information privately if he had missed something. His accusation is a claim, not proof of deliberate deception, and raw volume alone cannot establish either benchmarking or distillation.

I note that Theo does not have the underlying requests and argue that detailed requests for reasoning may be hard to explain as ordinary benchmarking. Even so, the public evidence available in the video does not establish the precise purpose of each request. The dispute concerns both the observed patterns and what conclusions can reasonably be drawn from them.

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Geopolitical claims and open questions

Berman offers his views on competition and discusses a separate allegation about restricted chips. He closes by questioning perceived inconsistency in the treatment of training data.

I say the allegation would not surprise me and offer a broad characterization of business competition in China, while acknowledging that American companies have also faced accusations involving intellectual property. Those national and cultural generalizations are my opinion and cannot establish what any particular company did.

A separate allegation about Nvidia chips
SLIDE 5 / 5A separate allegation about Nvidia chipsThe post relays allegations attributed to a senior US government official, rather than establishing that they are true.

I then discuss a post citing a senior US government official who alleged that DeepSeek obtained restricted Nvidia Blackwell chips, used them to train a future model and intended to conceal evidence. This is a separate, attributed allegation; neither the post nor this video establishes that a violation occurred or proves the claimed plans.

I speculate that the allegations might mean American labs have a larger lead than I thought and suggest Chinese open-weight firms depend heavily on American models and hardware. That inference goes beyond the evidence presented: the company’s allegations and the chip claim do not establish that Chinese labs lack their own research or determine the overall balance of AI capability.

The remaining question is how to judge an AI company’s objections to another lab’s use of its outputs while that company faces criticism over the material used to train its own model. I think people are reacting to what they perceive as hypocrisy. The factual and legal questions in the two situations are distinct, even when both deserve scrutiny.

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