增长招聘别找独角兽:先补团队缺口,再把用户引导做成留存杠杆

原标题Hire for Balance, Fix Onboarding, Evaluate Companies Rigorously: Adam Fishman's Growth Playbook

前 Lyft、Patreon 增长负责人 Adam Fishman 拆解增长人才的四组能力模型,解释用户引导为何被低估,以及候选人该如何用「人、使命、财务」评估下一家公司。

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Adam Fishman 认为,招增长人才要从第一性原理出发,而不是去找一个「十年前的自己」。他的增长能力模型把工作拆成增长执行、客户认知、增长策略、沟通与影响力四组,目标是补齐团队组合,而不是招到每项都满分的人。随后他用 Patreon 的例子说明,用户引导是几乎所有人都会碰到的体验,也是习惯养成和留存最被低估的杠杆;最后给出候选人侧的评估框架:人、使命、财务,三项都过关再接受 offer。

  1. 1Fishman 说,招增长人才不要去找每项都打十一分的人。能力模型的用途是在团队层面补缺口、做组合,而不是猎寻独角兽。
  2. 2增长能力分成四组,每组三项技能:增长执行、客户认知、增长策略、沟通与影响力。后两组更软、更难,往往要花很多年才能练出来。
  3. 3招第一位或偏初级的增长同事时,他优先看执行和客户认知,并更倾向内部转岗。他说教一个人怎么把事做成很难,内部候选人通常已经懂客户。
  4. 4用户引导是产品里百分之百的人都会碰到的体验。它也是品牌承诺第一次落到产品上的时刻,此时用户动机最强,可以承受一点摩擦。
  5. 5Patreon 先给高潜力创作者接上对的人,再把有效做法做成「有立场的默认项」。人工介入把创作者前一两个月收入提高了约 25%,经验随后被写进产品。
  6. 6选工作要像投资你最稀缺的资源——时间。Fishman 的候选人 PMF 看人、使命、财务,并建议做面试回路之外的背调,观察领导层如何处理分歧。
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招增长人才要从第一性原理出发,而不是去找一个长得像英雄的人

Fishman, who led growth at Lyft, Patreon and Imperfect Foods, says he wrote his Growth Competency Model because he had never seen a canonical reference for hiring and planning for growth. Founders often ask how to find someone like him ten years earlier in his career, which he calls pattern matching rather than a first-principles approach. He is also building a growth leadership program, so how to hire and balance a team was top of mind.

He also lived through the failure mode. At Wyzant, a tutoring marketplace, he joined between Lyft and Patreon, and the founders wanted a silver-bullet growth strategy. What they actually needed was a strategy for adding growth loops and a system for executing it, which takes time and patience. Because neither side evaluated the real competencies, the effort ended with the San Francisco office closing and layoffs, including his own.

02

四组能力、每组三项技能,目标是均衡的团队而不是满分的个人

Fishman describes the model as a circle with four equal wedges. His answer to what to look for is "it depends" on the team's current skill gaps, since the goal is not a unicorn who is an 11 out of 10 on everything. Even he is not, he says, despite many growth executive roles. The goal is a well-rounded portfolio of skills across the team.

The four buckets are growth execution, customer knowledge, growth strategy, and communication and influence. Execution covers channel fluency, experimentation, and productizing learnings, meaning turning hypotheses and test results into lasting product changes. Customer knowledge covers data fluency and instrumentation, user psychology, and narrative and creative approach; Fishman says users usually arrive in an emotional frame, so appealing to their logic first is a mistake.

The model also works in reverse: candidates can use it to ask founders which competencies matter and to be candid about their own strengths, and managers can use it to give specific feedback. Instead of telling someone to be more strategic, you can ask for better loop modeling.

Growth strategy comprises growth loop modeling, capital allocation and forecasting, and prioritization and roadmapping. Communication and influence comprises strategic communication, team leadership and stakeholder management. Fishman calls the last group the pinnacle and a lifelong journey, because growth is often seen as at odds with craftsmanship and each company's people trade in different currency. He adds that great product managers and great growth practitioners overlap heavily.

03

初级招聘优先看执行和客户认知,内部转岗往往两边都有

Fishman says hiring a senior growth leader is hard, and he suggests a first hire need not be one anyway. Look for smart, driven people who might be less experienced in growth but senior elsewhere, or for internal candidates who already know the customer. If the founder cannot teach growth, they should invest in advisors, courses and coaching, or the hungry hire will run through brick walls without noticing the door next to them.

At Lyft he hired Ben Lauzier, a generalist marketer from a corporate catering startup who had already nailed execution and customer knowledge. Fishman prefers those two skills in young hires because teaching someone to execute is hard. He recalls Ben borrowing a Chromebook during an interview day to deploy something for the job he was leaving, as a sign of work ethic.

At Patreon he moved a marketer named Sean into an entry-level growth PM role. Sean brought strong execution, prioritization, data fluency and deep customer knowledge from being inside the company. Fishman says he leans toward internal hires because they create opportunity, deliver faster results and carry less risk of the wrong hire, though specialists such as SEO or paid experts, his "surgeons", should be hired externally later.

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用户引导是唯一所有人都会碰到的体验,也是动机最强的窗口

Fishman says he does an onboarding project at nearly every company he works with or advises. Onboarding is the only part of the product 100% of users touch, and it is the first chance to deliver the brand's promise. Brand is the promise, product is the delivery, and a mismatch means disappointed customers.

It is also when users are most motivated, since they typically need what you sell badly. That gives you room to add some friction and learn about them. He says onboarding work improves habit formation and can shift cohort retention curves by 10, 15 or even 20 percentage points, because churn concentrates in the earliest usage.

05

Patreon 先用人工陪高潜力创作者,再把有效做法做成有立场的默认项

At Patreon the growth team experimented with when to connect a person with a creator during onboarding. Connecting the right human at the right time raised a creator's first-month or second-month revenue by 25%. That mattered because the second processing month was a key input into lifetime value, so overall value rose by about the same amount.

To find high-potential creators, the team asked them to connect accounts such as YouTube, Instagram or Twitter and pulled in data on audience size and engagement, working with data scientists. Those flagged were pulled out of self-guided onboarding into the hands of a person. Fishman gives the example of a million subscribers who all watch every video versus a million passive ones.

What humans learned was then productized as "opinionated defaults": making it hard to do the wrong thing without removing choice. Creators could still set up one tier or forty, but the team knew three to five tiers and a three to five dollar entry point worked better, so deviations had more friction. Lenny relates a similar Airbnb effort with instant book and smart defaults for hosts.

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用户引导做对了,转化率可以略降;没有新洞察就不要推倒重来

Fishman says that done well, onboarding conversion can drop slightly because unqualified users are filtered out, which raises retention. The risk is cutting conversion by more than retention improves, so teams should watch the opposing metrics. He believes the biggest impact is on retention, since it connects users to value early and forms a habit that leads to referrals.

Because retention takes too long to measure, he uses proxy metrics. At Patreon, the speed at which a creator got a first patron and reached the first $100 predicted long-term success. The team also qualitatively sampled creators who were onboarding and ran them through their model.

He dislikes redesigning for its own sake. Revisit onboarding when you learn something new about customers or the growth model, such as the right tier structure, and let it rest otherwise, since micro-tuning rarely moves the needle. He thinks larger companies benefit from a team whose scope includes activation, even if onboarding is only a quarter or two of its roadmap each year.

07

选公司要像投资:人、使命、财务三项,少一项就别将就

Fishman calls his candidate framework "PMF", a pun on product-market fit that stands for people, mission and financials. He developed it because of layoffs and wanted to shift power to job seekers. The criteria are personal, but you should be rigorous about them. People means colleagues you can disagree with productively; mission means that many people end up better off because the company exists; financials means fiscal discipline, as many firms that raised heavily at the pandemic peak are now cutting staff.

He says he chose well at Lyft and Patreon and poorly at Wyzant and Imperfect Foods. Wyzant was a people miss because the founders' expectations differed from what he could deliver. Imperfect Foods had a strong mission, a good financial strategy and a great CFO, but infighting in the C-suite made planning hard, and product and growth leaders bear the brunt of that angst. Whenever he settled for two of three, it did not end well.

To check people, he would have observed leaders at an executive meeting or offsite, and he suggests even junior candidates can sit in on a team meeting or product review under an NDA. He asks about the last strategic offsite, where people disagreed, and how it was resolved. He calls people the hardest dimension to evaluate.

Fishman likens a job decision to an investment of time, which is more scarce than money, so diligence is warranted. He recommends back-channel references with current or former employees not on the interview circuit, and notes that Tal Raviv asked him for a list of past reports when interviewing at Patreon. If a company or manager refuses, he says, that tells you something.

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