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Barbra Gago 曾负责 Miro、Greenhouse 和 CultureAmp 的市场,她用两段对照的经历说明:新品类不是头脑风暴想出来的,而要看预算科目、客户嘴里的词,以及对手会不会贴上同样的标签。Greenhouse 想逃出 ATS 没站住,只好回头把这个品类做值钱;Miro 则一边继续当最好的在线白板,一边从客户的多种叫法里拼出 visual collaboration,并把改名当成产品发布来跑。她最后落到有主见的软件:规则要锚在真正的最佳实践和公司价值观上。
- 1一个品类要等竞争对手贴上同样的标签才算成立Gago 说这是很大的一课:别人自称跟你同一品类,是验证,不是威胁。
- 2动手前先看预算线和客户用的词Greenhouse 试过 recruiting optimization platform,买家日常仍叫它申请人跟踪系统,团队只好放弃、去把 ATS 品类本身做值钱。
- 3你可以一边卖进现有品类,一边养一个更大的Miro 继续优化在线白板等标签,同时从客户的多种说法里拼出 visual collaboration。
- 4分析师和目录站决定什么算一个品类Miro 起初在 G2 Crowd 上并没有 visual collaboration 这一栏,团队必须见面解释它跟邻近品类差在哪。
- 5换品牌要当成产品发布来跑Miro 十月起名,三月在西南偏南艺术节上线,用 sprint 团队、明确负责人和持续的客户反馈推进;域名 miro.com 大约在活动前 48 小时才切过去。
- 6品牌价值观要短,并且绑在具体东西上Gago 说 Airbnb 的价值观太长记不住;Miro 把名字每个字母对应一个价值,比如用扭动的字形表现敏捷。
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新品类要看野心和预算,也要看对手会不会进来
Gago says Miro looked at category creation because "online whiteboard" was too small a box. The product had room to be useful to every company, not only product teams, engineering teams or schools. She jokes that Miro was an ever-expanding universe, and that a niche label would have capped how people saw it.
Her checklist for whether a new category is realistic starts with budget. Do companies already have a line item for this? What words do buyers use to describe the pain, and who else is competing? At Greenhouse, applicant tracking systems had a budget but a terrible reputation. At Miro, she says there was no budget for visual collaboration yet.
Founders often assume they want no competition, but Gago argues it is not a category until other companies are in it. She calls it a big learning that new entrants claiming your category is validation. She defines a category practically, as the groupings on review sites such as G2 or Software Advice. These are sets of products that solve a pain point customers already budget for.
Greenhouse 逃不出 ATS 这个叫法,最后选择把品类做值钱
Gago calls Greenhouse a failed attempt at category creation. Applicant tracking systems were widely disliked as transactional and not strategic, so she tried to reposition the company. The team settled on "recruiting optimization platform" and spent time on content and press around it.
It did not stick. Whatever Greenhouse called itself, customers' budgets and everyday language still said applicant tracking. After seeing that, the team stopped fighting the label. It decided to spend its money raising the value of the ATS category instead of replacing it.
She says that shift, alongside what CultureAmp was doing, helped start a wave of stronger people practices in both recruiting and employee engagement. Her advice is to fail fast. If a new name is not being picked up, try other things and drop it. Established companies that already sit squarely in a category will find that a new label rarely brings in business.
Miro 从客户已有的叫法里拼出了视觉协作
Miro had no budget line for visual collaboration at first. Gago calls that the vision piece: customers did not yet share the idea, but they could grow into it. The product was new in the enterprise and was called online whiteboard, mind mapping, diagramming and more, depending on who used it.
"Visual collaboration" was a way to tie these jobs together. Early users were product and engineering teams used to whiteboards who now worked remotely, but Miro quickly packaged use cases for HR, marketing and design. Without a shared name, she says, every team would have called it something different.
Miro did not give up its existing categories while doing this. It kept optimizing for them and used lots of content marketing to explain the larger idea. Other companies then began tagging themselves with the same label, which created a multi-company category. Gago adds that new categories tend to appear at inflection points. She names the consumerization of IT and the shift to distributed work during COVID, which brought employer-of-record platforms like Deel and Oyster.
品类要靠客户语言、公关、分析师,还要靠持续内容
Gago says her best positioning came from huge numbers of customer conversations. Step one is understanding who the buyers are, how they describe the product, and what the differentiator is. She says category names should come out of that language and not out of a brainstorm.
PR is a way to test whether a positioning resonates, and analysts and directory sites help shape which categories exist. Gartner, Forrester and G2 Crowd all influence buyers in B2B. Miro had to meet G2 to explain what visual collaboration was and how its feature set differed from neighbouring categories.
On top of that comes content and thought leadership. The team must explain why the category exists, what value it offers and which pain points it solves. Buyers also have to be taught that they can now budget for it. Lenny's reaction is that it sounds like a lot of work, and Gago agrees.
不必丢掉旧品类,也能一点点长进新品类
Lenny asks whether there is a middle path between being a better ATS and declaring a new category. Gago says yes, and points to her current company, Pando. It still lists itself under performance management, which is an established category with a budget line, and sells to people looking for that.
At the same time, Pando is introducing "employee progression" as a longer-term idea, aimed at changing how people think about performance management. She stresses that the investment in time, content and thought leadership is high. Pando does not plan to try to own the new category right away.
Lenny connects this to Miro, which stayed the best whiteboarding tool while building the broader brand. Gago adds that the path differs by business model. Miro's approach was bottoms-up, while the marketing automation vendors she worked for earlier simply told the market what marketing automation was, a very top-down effort.
把 RealtimeBoard 改成 Miro,是按产品发布来跑的
Gago nearly turned down the job because the company was called RealtimeBoard, which struck her as too literal for a product with so much potential. She made permission to change the name part of her decision to join. The founders were receptive, and she says that rebranding is easier early, once product-market fit exists but before you invest heavily in the brand. At that point Miro had around a million users and a few million in revenue.
The worry was how loyal fans would react, so the team kept the essence of the old brand. The old logo was a yellow Post-it, and the yellow carried over into the new M, even though the first proposal was a hot pink M. Customers were consulted through case studies and feedback on logos and designs. Gago says it was worth it because they felt good about the result.
She separates a visual rebrand from a name change, which pulls in legal, contracts, the website, the product and every link. Miro ran it like product development, with sprint teams, owners for each piece and regular reporting back. Naming began in late October and the launch came at South by Southwest in March, with a three-dimensional booth. The domain moved to miro.com roughly 48 hours before the event, after materials were already printed, which Gago calls a leap of faith and some luck.
能留下来的品牌,价值观必须短、必须真
Gago wants a brand that people love, not just recognize, and says authenticity is what makes that work. Brand and product both matter, because a great brand cannot carry a poor product. In her view the strongest brands are interchangeable with the people and the company, the way Google is with Googlers.
Values are the route to that authenticity. Miro's mission was to help companies build the next big thing, which meant the company had to act big itself. When values like candor, thoughtfulness or a bias for action are in the company's DNA, they show up in language, colors and every customer touchpoint without extra training. Miro tied each letter of its name to a value, and one letter wiggled to show agility, within a visual language that people from different countries could read.
To develop values, she has run workshops where everyone dumps ideas, groups them into themes and votes. A good writer should then draft the definitions, since groups do not write well. She describes a brand as a system, including logo, colors, fonts, photography or illustration, and voice. She says Airbnb's values were too long to remember, so keep them simple but not generic.
有主见的软件,要把真的最佳实践写进产品里
Gago defines opinionated software as tools with best practices or rules built in, as opposed to fully customizable ones. She cites Atlassian's tools for agile teams and Greenhouse's structured recruiting, where pipelines and interview kits had to be built in a particular way. This made hiring more transparent and less biased, and rules that people could not work around came from underlying values.
She sees two routes. One is to find a process that is already gaining momentum but has no technology, as happened with Atlassian and with many DevOps tools. The other, as with Greenhouse, is to spot what companies are missing, teach a better way and offer software that supports it.
Pando is opinionated because Gago believes performance reviews are full of bias and keep systemic problems in place. Companies fix pay gaps every year without addressing how people are promoted. Pando requires transparent levels, expectations and competencies, and creates accountability for both employee and manager. Lenny agrees that performance reviews are among a manager's most powerful tools.
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