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Coda 联合创始人兼 CEO、前 YouTube 产品负责人 Shishir Mehrotra 拆开了 Coda 的黑色循环与蓝色循环增长模型,以及他为《优秀团队的仪式》一书收集的团队仪式。他还讲了源于 YouTube 的「特征问题」方法,以及用 PSHE 框架判断人才。在招聘信号里,他把背景调查排在所有其他信号之上。
- 1Coda 靠两条循环增长:黑色循环是文档在团队里分享、再催生新文档;蓝色循环是作者把文档发布到世界。接近三分之一的用户从蓝色循环进来。
- 2Coda 只向创建文档的人收费,因为 Mehrotra 想在分享这一边做到「没有美元符号」。每个产品都有对增长最关键的那一刻,在那里收费会把它杀死。
- 3Bing Gordon 对黄金仪式的三条检验是:有名字、每个员工第一个周五就知道、而且模板化。Coda 自己的黄金仪式是 Dory 和 Pulse。
- 4特征问题是那个一旦答出来、就能顺带解开最多其他问题的问题。YouTube 用「一致性优先于全面性」,一次解决了外链到 ABC.com 和收回 iPhone 应用两件事。
- 5用 PSHE(问题、方案、方法、执行)判断人,而不只看管辖范围。最资深的人选择问题,初级员工则被交到问题、方案和方法。
- 6Mehrotra 把背景调查排在招聘信号第一位,高于作业、演示和面试。他会画出对照画像,并且不透露自己看重什么,好让推荐人放开说。
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Coda 靠两条循环增长:团队分享的黑色循环,以及对外发布的蓝色循环
Mehrotra says every business should draw a diagram of how its ecosystem works. Coda's came from Matt Hudson, who runs data and finance, about three or four years into the company. In the Black Loop, someone makes a doc and shares it with a group, and some of the recipients make their own docs, so the cycle repeats. Mehrotra calls it the Microsoft Loop because that is how documents naturally spread.
That loop shaped Coda's pricing. Document products usually charge both editors and makers, but Coda charges only when someone creates a doc. Mehrotra explains that he wanted no friction on the share edge and "no dollar signs" there. He compares it to YouTube, where nobody would share anything if they had to pay for each viewer.
In the Blue Loop, a maker publishes a doc to the world, much like building a website: they pick a URL and decide whether Google can index it or whether it appears in the gallery. He calls it the YouTube Loop because publishing a doc feels like publishing a video. Almost a third of users come through it, often without hearing of Coda first. They arrive looking for a way to run an offsite or win at Ticket to Ride, and many people start with a problem, not a blank page.
多数产品有的是循环而不是漏斗,做平台意味着把叙事交给别人
Mehrotra says that thinking in funnels is natural but misleading, and almost every product has some kind of loop, whether through built-in sharing or advocacy. In Coda's case, the Black Loop is table stakes for the category, while the Blue Loop is its own invention. A user described the Coda Gallery as halfway between Medium and an app store. His advice for finding your own loop is to look at what you told the last few candidates you pitched.
Users arrive three ways. Someone shared a doc with them, which gives the best activation and retention. Someone found a published doc or template, which is second best. Or they started from the top with a blank cursor, where roughly one in five reach the activation moment.
Each entry point needs a different mindset because in the first two the conversation about Coda is owned by someone else, such as a teammate or a publisher. Mehrotra contrasts Steve Jobs's control-everything view with platform thinking, where your connection to the end user runs through other people. At YouTube, that meant being surprised by things you could not control, and he compares it to Airbnb learning to let hosts market their own places.
优秀团队只有少数黄金仪式:有名字、第一个周五就知道、而且模板化
Mehrotra says he expected his book *Rituals of Great Teams* to take six months, and he is now nearly two years in and about half done. It started when he mentioned a Bing Gordon line on Reid Hoffman's *Masters of Scale*: great companies have a small list of golden rituals, which are named, known to every employee by their first Friday, and templated. Examples include Amazon's six-pagers, Google's OKRs and Salesforce's V2MOM.
Coda's own golden ritual is Dory and Pulse. In Pulse, everyone writes their opinion and the others stay hidden until all are done, which forces people to be clear and unbiased. In Dory, people put questions on the table and the group up- and down-votes them to decide what to discuss. New hires tell Mehrotra that a question they asked outvoted the CEO's, and that it felt open.
After the podcast he began hosting dinners for people to swap rituals and has now interviewed over 1,000 people, from Nike and Disney to small startups. He found that people love sharing how they work, and that small details decide whether a ritual succeeds. He quotes Dharmesh Shah's idea that companies build two products, one for customers and one for employees, and the second is culture. Rituals are how people describe a culture, Mehrotra says, which is why he calls them a mirror of it.
借来的仪式,要抄对那些很小的细节才有效
Mehrotra shares some favorites. Arianna Huffington's "Reset" is a personal one-minute video with a breathing exercise, and meetings begin by spinning a wheel to choose whose video to play. At Gusto, the whole interview loop joins the offer call to say why the candidate is great, even if they voted no. He says it gives the candidate a standout experience and shows the company how much hiring matters.
He steals ideas freely and calls it the cheapest form of research. Pulse could feel like voting and leave a decision-maker with 30 pieces of feedback and no sense of what mattered. From Coinbase's RAPID decision ritual, Coda added a role column and grouped the table by role. The person running the meeting also pre-fills what they need from each approver, such as whether there is budget.
Mehrotra is writing the book in the open. He shares each finished chapter with the Rituals of Great Teams Brain Trust, a few hundred people who co-edit. Many contribute their own variations, and he calls it a cheap way to get good editors.
仪式可以自然长出来,也可以被设计,《Switch》是操作指南
Asked how rituals form, Mehrotra says some are great at 100 people and terrible at 1,000, and some suit wartime and not peacetime. He mentions Facebook's "lockdowns", which everyone understands to mean dropping certain work. Coda's Dory and Pulse grew organically from a product manager tired of waiting on Zoom for everyone to speak.
When a company wants to create a ritual on purpose, he recommends *Switch* by Chip and Dan Heath. It describes a rider on an elephant on a path, and you can direct the rider, motivate the elephant or shape the path. Mehrotra maps these to Bing Gordon's tests: tell people in onboarding, give the ritual a name, and make it easy with a template.
特征问题是那个一旦答出来、就能解开许多其他问题的问题
Mehrotra tells the story of the "Modern Family question" at YouTube in 2008. People searched YouTube for the show every week, but it wasn't on YouTube, though ABC.com streamed every episode. The product side wanted to link out to serve users, while the business side feared that partners would never post good content if YouTube linked away.
The night before an executive offsite in Half Moon Bay, he read an analysis from Google's shopping team. Users said they chose Amazon because they valued consistency over comprehensiveness. He reframed the debate as whether online video in a decade would favor consistency or comprehensiveness. The team decided on consistency, and the link-out question became easy.
The term eigenquestion borrows from eigenvectors in linear algebra, but Mehrotra says the math doesn't matter. It is the question that, when answered, also answers the most subsequent questions. Instead of ranking questions by importance or order, rank them by how many others they eliminate, the same idea as ranking a to-do list by leverage.
特征问题是可练的技能,最好先在低风险的问题上练
The same answer led YouTube to take back its iPhone app, which Apple's team had built and which could not play almost half the catalog. Mehrotra drove to Cupertino to tell Apple. He told them YouTube would rather be on fewer phones with a consistent experience than on all of them with an inconsistent one. Apple agreed to brick the old app on a set date and send people to the new one, and Mehrotra says it had about 80% share within six months.
Coda's central eigenquestion is whether it is a doc or an app, and the answer is doc, which is why the company's name is "doc" backwards. Mehrotra says the skill is learnable but hard, so people should practice on frivolous problems, as with basketball or piano. His interview question asks candidates to bring a teleportation device to market, then limits them to two questions.
A strong answer asks whether it is safe enough for humans and whether it is costlier to buy or to run. Those two questions produce four quadrants with different strategies, such as replacing airports if it is expensive to buy but cheap to run. Kids often find good eigenquestions, he says, and adults lose the skill, as when his daughter asked why three gas stations sit on one corner.
PSHE:看人是在选问题、找方案、定方法,还是在执行
In 2011, Larry Page reorganized Google into product units, and Mehrotra, who ran YouTube product, was elected to lead a group keeping the PM function consistent. When the eight product leaders tried to identify levels from anonymized level guides, nobody could. The only thing that ordered them was scope. A scope scale also failed because Search is one huge product while the Ads team counts every SKU as a product, scope is an input rather than an output, and a scope-only system would discourage risky projects.
They settled on PSHE, from his former boss Quentin Clark: Problem, Solution, How, Execution. A junior PM is handed the problem, the solution and the how, then executes. More senior people get a problem and a rough solution and figure out the how, then a problem and bring back solutions, and finally tell the company which problems to work on.
Careers start at the execution end and grow in scope, and late careers are about ever-bigger problems. In the middle, the difference isn't scope, and Mehrotra calls this confusing stage the "trough of dissolution". The same logic works for other roles. For salespeople, quota attainment mostly reflects negotiating a quota and territory, while the best can sell anything in any region. Mehrotra values P over S over H over E, and he notes that spotting the right problems is closely related to finding eigenquestions.
背景调查比面试更能看出 PSHE,前提是让人放开说
Mehrotra says Coda levels everyone on something like PSHE, alongside Radford levels, and the same lens guides interviews. The best way to assess it, though, is references. Strong H-level product managers run efficient meetings and keep everyone informed, and counterparts love them. But when he asks who picks the problems or comes up with the best solutions, the answer is sometimes the designer or the CEO.
References have perverse incentives, since people dislike criticizing others and worry about legal issues. In the ideal case he doesn't say who he is asking about and just asks who on the team is best at a thing. Otherwise he offers four personas: someone who finds the problems, someone who creatively solves them, someone who gets a team moving, someone who executes a playbook. He doesn't reveal which he prefers.
He also asks how excited the reference would be to hire the person again, and what he should have asked. A reference check leads him not to hire "all the time", so he tries to do them early to spare candidates a late rejection.
招聘信号的排序:背景调查第一,真工作第二,面试最后
Mehrotra's ranking of signals puts the reference check at the top, because people who worked with the candidate for years know far more than 30 minutes of artificial scenarios. Next is anything that feels like real work. At the start of each interview loop, the candidate presents to the loop and other employees, spending about half the time on whatever they choose and half on a prompt. Interviews come last, and when signals disagree they are weighed in that order.
He also balances questions by "home court", "away court" and "neutral court". Home-court questions ask what you would do at the interviewer's company, so they test whether the candidate lands on the interviewer's answer. Away-court questions about past work can't be verified. Neutral questions like the teleporter need no company knowledge, and the presentation gives candidates a chance to set an upper bound on themselves.
In the lightning round, he recommends *Switch* and Scott McCloud's *Understanding Comics*, because diagrams crystallize ideas. His second-favorite interview question has candidates pick a product they didn't work on, design its one-page dashboard, and plan a me-too version with a quarter of the time and team. He says his top reads are Lenny's newsletter and Ben Thompson's Stratechery, and he points listeners to the Rituals of Great Teams Brain Trust.
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