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Luc Levesque 曾在 Tripadvisor、Facebook 和 Shopify 负责增长,并为 Pinterest、Canva 等公司担任顾问。他认为,合适的增长人才在合适的时机,往往能用一条洞察改写公司轨迹。本期他讲了如何寻找、结构和考核顾问,如何把 SEO 当成增长渠道,以及为什么 AI 回答框会重塑搜索;收尾则谈到每日自我反思、冷水浴,以及在家里办主题晚宴的习惯。
- 1真正算数的只有影响Levesque 说 Facebook 的文化不问你有多努力,而问你产出了什么结果;此后他把这套标准带进每一支增长团队。
- 2招聘要像 Zuckerberg 挖他那样:拉上整个高管团队、把配偶也带进来,并且绝不让势头掉下去他自己搬去 Facebook,花了七个月持续对话。
- 3一位增长顾问可以用一句话改写公司多年实验里攒下的判断,几秒钟就能说清;他见过单条洞察带来数百个百分点、有时超过一千个百分点的提升。
- 4用股权付顾问、尽早归属,并设三个月 cliff目标是让顾问尽快倒出所有东西、训练团队,最终让自己变得不再必要。
- 5一个关键词就能撑起一门生意Levesque 说旅游行业里,公司会因为单个关键词的排名被买卖;做对的增长是指数级的,不是线性的。
- 6信息型搜索流量正在承压看过 Google 的 AI 回答框后,他预计未来 12 到 24 个月里,问答类查询要么丢点击,要么转向付费。
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在 Facebook,唯一算数的问题是你有没有产生影响
Levesque opens with a story from his early days at Facebook. Three months after joining, he presented a draft strategy at a semiannual product review, sat in a silent room for what felt like five minutes, and was then asked by Mark Zuckerberg when the team would start seeing results. He says that moment was his introduction to a culture built around a single magic word, impact.
He explains why he likes the word so much. It is vague enough to cover any work that serves the mission, but precise enough that you can tell whether you have it. He contrasts it with leaders who reward activity and hours worked; there is a correlation between working hard and impact, he concedes, but the outcome is what should be reviewed.
Lenny says impact is number one on a Post-it of themes he hears from successful companies. Levesque adds that in growth everything is measurable, so impact is easy to check. His team constantly reviews whether its strategy drives the top-level north star outcome, and organizes everything around that singular goal.
出色的招聘是执着、私人化、并且建立在卓越信号之上
Levesque describes being recruited by Zuckerberg while living in Canada with strong personal reasons for staying. He draws three lessons from it. Zuckerberg involved the entire executive team rather than leaving it to recruiting, he made the process personal by bringing Levesque's wife into dinners and conversations, and he never let momentum die over seven months. Toby at Shopify did something similar, flying down with his wife for breakfast to review offers.
As a leader's career advances, he argues, hiring becomes the skill you must be world-class at, because your team's success depends on the quality of your hires. He built his own playbook in Ottawa, where there were few people to learn from and he had to reason from first principles. He splits it into finding, assessing and closing talent, and also keeps a blueprint listing his own quirks for new teammates.
When finding talent he looks for repeated signs of excellence, because past performance is the best predictor of future performance. One strong signal is when a candidate's former boss leaves the company and then comes back to poach them. Others include founding something or winning an award, and he says you generally want the top 1% of candidates, so you should expect to see such signals.
产品市场契合之后再请增长顾问,并考一考对方的深度
On timing, Levesque says you should not focus too much on growth until you have product-market fit, meaning users love the product and it shows strong retention or a good loop. Growing a product that does not satisfy a need can do more harm than good, because people who have a bad first experience are unlikely to try again. He allows one exception: if you need real usage signal, test in a small, off-the-grid English-speaking market where you can contain the growth.
A great advisor understands not just what to do but why growth levers work, so he suggests asking probing questions to see whether someone is repeating a playbook or still learning. If you lack growth expertise yourself, he recommends asking a trusted advisor or friend to vet candidates, which costs them little effort. Lenny notes that this could work even with someone too busy to advise you full time.
Levesque argues that people talk about the 10X engineer but not the 10X growth person, even though the effect may be larger. Most companies, he says, got where they are by dominating one strong channel, so getting the loop right is crucial.
用股权付顾问费、前置归属,并争取把对方用过
Levesque explains why a short conversation can be so valuable: understanding a channel takes years of exposure to many experiments, but communicating that insight can take seconds. He recalls spotting a design choice in a company's landing pages on the first day, suggesting a different approach, and hearing three weeks later that the change had a large impact. That is why advisor hourly rates can look absurd, Lenny observes, since one conversation crystallizes a decade of work.
He likes to advise purely for equity because it aligns incentives, and says he wants his impact to be so big that the next board deck needs a slide to explain it. He recommends vesting early and using a three-month cliff, so both sides can walk away if it is not working. The ideal engagement delivers value quickly, trains the team, and leaves the founder no longer dependent on the advisor.
On the same logic he says internal growth teams should be incentivized on outcomes rather than activities. He admits that keeping an advisor on as insurance can make sense, but that should be a choice, not a dependency. His general preference is to hire someone in-house and surround them with advisors, so the knowledge stays inside the company.
通过投资人和世界级公司找顾问,不要只看公开光环
To find an advisor, Levesque suggests starting with your investors, since top VCs have strong networks, then asking other founders, and finally looking at companies that are world-class at the channel you want to grow. He got started as an advisor when a prominent VC introduced him to a portfolio company that needed SEO help; he helped pro bono in exchange for connections in the Valley. Lenny adds that people from companies like Pinterest, Canva and Miro come up often.
He says companies with lots of traffic are the growth gym where people put in the reps through experiments, and learning from failed tests is almost as valuable as from successes. He warns against hiring based only on a large following on Twitter or Substack, a mistake he admits making a few times. Lenny agrees that celebrity hires rarely turn out as amazing as they seem online.
For people who want to become growth advisors, Levesque recommends thinking like an investor, since time is limited and equity only pays off if the company exits. He keeps a spreadsheet of criteria to evaluate companies, goes in expecting a ten-year commitment, and asks for a long tail on options so they do not expire before an exit.
几乎每家公司都有 SEO 切口,一个关键词就能撑起一个行业
Levesque believes there is an SEO play in almost any company, because Google is a huge funnel of existing demand. He divides sites into two categories. Small sites with a dozen or so pages need to optimize those pages and build a content strategy. Sites with thousands to millions of pages, such as user-generated content sites like Tripadvisor and Pinterest or marketplaces like Thumbtack, have a large optimization surface and can see huge impact quickly.
He cites LinkedIn as a viral loop feeding an SEO loop, since each new member creates an indexed profile page. Even content-led sites can grow through SEO, he says, but you have to write the high-quality answers yourself. Entire industries are built on single keywords, and in travel, he recalls, companies were bought and sold based on one keyword ranking.
His own startup TravelPod, a travel blogging site he sold to Tripadvisor, taught him the lesson. A competitor with a worse product was ten times bigger, and he realized that he needed to understand growth levers. The number one keyword in the space was Travel Blog, and he thinks they ranked second for a long time. Levesque lists other channels, including social, influencers, viral loops and partnerships, and defines growth as whatever it takes to move the needle.
AI 回答框可能是 Google 诞生以来搜索最大的一次变化
Levesque says that seeing Google's AI box of answers at Google I/O, he immediately knew what was coming. He has seen it before in travel, where Google added flight and hotel search, which is good for users and search engines but harder on publishers. If the answer appears at the top, many queries that now send clicks to organic links will be answered directly.
He breaks keywords into transactional, navigational and informational and thinks the informational group is most at risk. He expects either that traffic shifts to paid or that those keywords simply get far fewer clicks, with the change playing out over the next 12 to 24 months if history repeats. He adds that ChatGPT now handles about half of his daily searches.
Rather than worry, he is excited by a platform shift after a long time, and says the new game is learning how to optimize and get listed. He describes optimizing as teaching the AI what you do and why you are the best at it. Shopify has a shopping engine called shop.ai that he likes, and he ultimately concludes this may be the biggest change since the inception of Google.
SEO 要有内部主人,把代理商当最后手段,并给三到十二个月看结果
Asked how to staff SEO, Levesque says agencies and pure advisors struggle without internal talent at the center. His ranking is first an amazing in-house SEO person, second a relentless doer such as an engineer surrounded by advisors, and third an agency. Agencies work with multiple companies, which makes it hard to get the same impact.
On timelines, he says existing content that already ranks reasonably can see lifts of hundreds of percent quickly, sometimes on day one. Building new content takes longer because Google must build trust, show it to users and collect feedback. His rule of thumb is three to 12 months, and he thinks that if there is no impact within 12 months, something is wrong.
每天结构化的自我反思,是他职业生涯最大的解锁
Asked what drove his career, Levesque points to loving the work, working hard and having impact, but picks self-reflection above all. He has had coaches throughout his career and now reflects each morning for an hour on what is going well, what is not, and why. He wakes at 5:00, exercises, stretches, meditates and does a cold plunge, a routine he calls his bootloader, inspired in part by the book Spark on the neuroscience of exercise.
He tracks areas of his life on a red, yellow and green dashboard: friend, husband, dad and leader. Six months earlier he asked each of his two sons what he could do more or less of to be a better dad, and one answered that he wanted more time together. Since then he has had a one-on-one outing every two weeks with each boy, chosen by them, which shows how he turns feedback into a repeatable habit.
Guild Night、几本好书,以及有时可以跳过实验
Levesque hosts what he calls Guild Nights, dinners at his home for five or six interesting people around a shared topic such as consumer products, SEO or growth leadership. He started them in Ottawa and says they are the bright spot of his month and helpful for recruiting and back-channel references. His tips are to keep groups to six to eight, host at home, order in food, and run from about 6:00 to 9:00 or 10:00.
In the lightning round he recommends Spark, Smart Brevity and Cialdini's Influence, and his favorite interview question is "Teach me something about growth that I don't already know." He says he buys much of his shopping through shop.ai, and shares cold-plunge advice, saying that he does five minutes at about 53 degrees after easing in from 60.
His product-process tip is that not everything needs an experiment, since experiments cost time. His team now sometimes just ships changes it believes are better, using pre-post comparisons or holdouts to avoid major damage, because speed can outweigh the cost of testing. Levesque ends by saying Shopify is always hiring top talent, and he can be found at luclevesque.com.
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