Michael Mignano on Anchor, Venture Investing and the Future of Social Media

The Anchor co-founder discusses joining Lightspeed, the limits of startup hype and why recommendation media may create room for new social products.

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20VC with Harry Stebbings
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7 sept. 2022
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In this 2022 interview with Harry Stebbings, Anchor co-founder and former Spotify executive Michael Mignano announces his move to Lightspeed and reflects on building products and investing. He discusses creator tools, social platforms, NFTs and a privacy-focused health investment. His forecasts and market observations are perspectives from the interview period, and he discloses ties to Lightspeed, Anchor and Stardust.

  1. 1Tell founders where they standMignano argues investors should clearly explain passes, follow-on intentions and partnership dynamics.
  2. 2Hype is not proof of a winHe says early excitement around Anchor faded, exposing underlying metrics and forcing a rethink.
  3. 3A shift toward recommendation mediaHe thinks large platforms’ emphasis on algorithmic distribution could leave room for new social experiences; this is a 2022 thesis.
  4. 4TikTok faces a competitive testHe does not promise a $2 trillion valuation and says Meta could compete successfully over the following two years.
  5. 5Consistent angel checksMignano says he used equal check sizes to diversify among highly risky early-stage investments.
  6. 6A privacy-focused health betHe discusses Stardust, an investment of his, and proposes that period tracking could be the start of a broader health offering.

À retenir

  1. Clear and respectful investor feedback helps founders understand where they stand.
  2. Early hype is a bet on potential, not proof of durable product success.
  3. New social products need formats and experiences that are difficult for established platforms to copy.
  4. Creator tools can improve content, but creators also need distribution and sustainable business models.
  5. Early-stage investments are risky, making portfolio construction and independent judgment important.
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01

Joining Lightspeed

Mignano announces his venture role and describes the responsibilities that come with investing other people’s money. He explains why he chose the firm.

Michael Mignano announces that he is joining Lightspeed as a partner on its consumer team, based in New York. The firm is also opening a New York office. The former Anchor co-founder and Spotify executive says he had been angel investing for roughly three years and wanted to take investing to a new level.

Mignano says he chose Lightspeed for its global reach, domain expertise, collaborative partnership and ability to support companies at different stages. As a founder, he valued investors with operating experience. His comments about the firm are also those of someone who has just joined it.

The transition raises the stakes, he says. Angel checks are personal capital, while venture investors have responsibility for other people’s money and may join boards for long-term partnerships. He is excited about the work but anticipates the weight of those obligations.

02

A more direct venture process

He calls for candid communication with founders about passes and investor incentives. The hosts also discuss founders, markets and the pace of a first investment.

Recalling his time building Anchor, Mignano wants more direct and respectful communication between investors and founders. He disliked investors maintaining relationships without intending to invest or obscuring why they passed. Uncertainty about where a founder stands can create unnecessary tension.

He would make pitches more efficient and give founders clear reasons for a pass, so they can address concerns before a later round. He also wants existing investors to discuss whether follow-on funding fits their strategy. Stebbings suggests investors sometimes stay vague to preserve the option of investing later.

Mignano argues investors can say directly that they do not believe in a company or founder yet, while leaving room for the founder to change their mind. He also wants partners to explain internal deal dynamics, incentives and ownership goals. Stebbings notes that more of that information is now publicly available.

Directness, Mignano says, can be respectful when it tells a person the truth. Asked to demonstrate, he tells a hypothetical founder he sees opportunity in the business but does not yet believe that founder is the right person, while inviting them to prove him wrong.

On markets versus founders, he thinks investors can underestimate how markets develop. Anchor often heard that podcasting was not a sufficiently interesting market. His view is that exceptional founders can expand a market, though Stebbings observes that a large market can also compensate for weaknesses.

Experienced investors gave him conflicting advice on when to make his first venture investment: one suggested waiting a year, another making a good first investment within 60 days. The latter warned that waiting too long creates pressure and overthinking. Mignano, speaking on his first day, leans toward moving quickly.

Stebbings notes two sides of an early first check: it can get the learning process started, but a poor outcome can damage confidence. Mignano compares investing with iterative product building: act, learn and adjust over a long journey. He expects to make a handful of seed investments and a smaller handful at later early stages each year.

His focus at Lightspeed will mainly be consumer companies, especially helping products go from zero to one, though he says the partnership can invest across sectors and geographies. He draws on experience taking products from no audience to very large user bases.

03

Anchor and the hype cycle

Mignano revisits Anchor’s early attention and the subsequent pressure to change direction. He distinguishes investor excitement from evidence of lasting success.

Stebbings recalls the excitement around Anchor’s first consumer product. Mignano says the founders were inexperienced and initially mistook venture-world enthusiasm for proof they had won. Investors were actually speculating that the company might win, and the underlying metrics became clearer once the noise faded.

He estimates the initial hype lasted around two months, followed by six to eight months trying unsuccessfully to recreate it. As runway dwindled, responsibility to employees and investors forced the founders to consider a more dramatic change. He describes that pressure as a powerful reason to turn the company around.

04

The next social platform

The conversation considers copycats, defensible formats and the challenges of Clubhouse. Mignano explains his recommendation-media thesis and offers a conditional view of TikTok and Meta.

Asked whether another major social company can emerge despite incumbents copying features, Mignano says yes. In 2022 he sees large platforms moving toward recommendation-driven entertainment, potentially leaving room for new products centered on social interaction. He presents this as an investment thesis, not a certainty.

He agrees that copying is a serious risk for challengers such as BeReal. Stebbings suggests a history of personal posts could make the product harder to leave, much as accumulated reviews create attachment elsewhere. Mignano says new platforms need a format that does not fit easily into an incumbent’s existing product.

He credits Clubhouse with a distinctive live-audio format, even though its trajectory disappointed many observers. TikTok also created tools and a format that took rivals time to copy. Software can be copied, he says, but a distinctive format can give a new platform time to grow.

Mignano thinks live-only content is intrinsically hard to scale because many people must be available at the same time. On-demand content can fit a listener’s schedule. In his view, Clubhouse might have benefited from replays earlier, although a small team facing rapid growth has limited capacity.

Replays create their own problem: long-form on-demand audio resembles podcasts, and listening habits on Apple Podcasts or Spotify are hard to change. Stebbings adds that live conversations can lack the polish of researched and edited material, and that pandemic isolation influenced Clubhouse’s rise.

Mignano agrees that producing high-quality audio is difficult; he recalls people on Clubhouse sometimes talking about Clubhouse itself because it was an easy subject. He learned similar lessons during Anchor’s development.

He argues that a follower-based social graph is less defensible than it once was: contacts can help new products recreate connections, while distributing every post to friends is not necessarily efficient. Recommendation systems instead select content for engagement and business outcomes. These are his interpretations of platform incentives.

Stebbings questions whether platforms can moderate enormous content volumes. Mignano argues that recommendation platforms can reduce distribution of problematic content instead of promising it an audience, while promoting other material. That is his description of a possible approach, not proof that moderation is effective or free of error.

Asked whether TikTok could become a $2 trillion company, Mignano does not endorse a specific valuation. He says TikTok has an advantage from popularizing its format, but Meta has abundant content, machine-learning capabilities and computing resources. In his 2022 forecast, the competitive battle could play out over roughly 24 months, and either could win.

05

Creator tools and distribution

They discuss tools, revenue concentration and creator dependence on algorithms. Mignano considers subscription software and the potential rebundling of creative tools.

Mignano agrees that creator tools can be a starting point for social platforms. Early Anchor gave people a microphone but few tools, and he says much of the resulting content did not attract an audience. Adding effects, music and lightweight editing made creators sound more polished and encouraged both creation and listening.

Good tools alone are not enough, he argues: the resulting format must be hard for an incumbent to copy immediately. Stebbings questions the creator economy’s economics, suggesting revenue is highly concentrated and many creators cannot justify expensive subscriptions. His percentages and cost examples are his own framing, not a verified industry measurement.

Mignano agrees that creator tools face challenges. As platforms shift from followers to algorithmic recommendations, creators may lose control over distribution. He is interested in services that help them form direct customer relationships and build businesses less dependent on a platform’s changing algorithms and advertising.

He is less persuaded that the immediate priority is increasing the percentage already-successful creators keep. His preference is to help the much larger group who have not yet earned money, while also helping them find distribution. The size of that potential group is presented as his estimate, not measured results.

Stebbings says a creator tool must either make creators money or bring distribution, and recalls declining investments in Riverside and Descript. Mignano likes both products and suggests a different model: high-quality creator software sold by subscription, as with Adobe. He believes companies would need to expand beyond a single narrow tool.

Asked about Adobe being unbundled by specialized competitors, Mignano predicts that successful challengers will eventually bundle again. A company might establish strength in one editing category and then move into adjacent ones. He offers this as a growth thesis rather than a prediction about a particular company’s success.

Stebbings cites a creator’s disappointing experience with Twitter’s Super Follows. Thinking aloud, Mignano wonders whether short paid posts were sufficiently different from free ones to justify a subscription. He contrasts that with a longer essay or newsletter, while acknowledging that he is speculating in real time.

06

Spotify and angel investing

Mignano offers a view of Spotify while disclosing his Anchor background. He discusses diversification, equal check sizes, mistakes and the search for mission-driven founders.

Asked whether Spotify missed an opportunity in social, Mignano believes a traditional social bet might have been wrong a few years earlier. He sees Spotify as well positioned for recommendation media because it has long used machine learning for music discovery and is making podcast creation easier.

He explicitly notes his bias: Spotify acquired Anchor, the company he co-founded. In his view, Anchor and creation features inside Spotify could expand the pool of podcasts available for recommendation. This is his thesis about Spotify’s opportunity, not evidence that all creators will find an audience.

Mignano says he had invested in or advised about 50 companies. He built a diversified portfolio because of venture’s power-law dynamics, and used a consistent check size. At the angel stage, he argues, every company is risky, so changing check size with conviction may make it harder to maintain enough opportunities.

He says he did not set a fixed total amount for angel investing; the open-ended commitment initially worried his wife. Stebbings then describes an investment mistake made by relying on another person’s judgment rather than doing his own work.

Mignano recalls backing a company introduced by someone he trusted, despite feeling its founders were not deeply committed to the problem. The investment did not work out. He says the lesson was to stay close to mission-driven founders, while emphasizing that he does not blame the person who made the introduction.

Another early mistake, in his view, was spending heavily on legal review for small checks in standardized deals where he had little negotiating power. He describes his own practice of relying on a major lead or law firm; that is his experience and opinion, not a universal rule for investors.

To evaluate whether a founder’s mission is real, Mignano recommends spending time with them and conducting references, including outside the provided list. Even then, he says, investors can be wrong. A persuasive story alone is not enough to establish genuine commitment.

07

NFTs and market cycles

He describes missing an OpenSea investment and explains what interests him about creator monetization. The discussion returns to volatile markets and Anchor’s pivot.

His biggest missed opportunity was OpenSea: he wanted to invest early but did not get to do so. He liked the team and saw a possible marketplace for creators to distribute and monetize work through NFTs. This is an investor’s historical view, not a claim of guaranteed returns.

Mignano says he is more interested in NFTs as a way for creators to monetize than as status symbols. He offers an example of an artist friend who, he says, generated hundreds of thousands of dollars from a collection and gave half to charity. This anecdote and the broader claims about creators are not independently established here.

He acknowledges that some buyers sought social status or speculation, while saying those motivations are not what excites him. He also says he likes web2 and does not see web3 as a solution to everything. Lightspeed had invested in crypto and web3, and he favors infrastructure while recognizing that specific future uses are uncertain.

Asked about OpenSea’s exposure to volatile NFT markets, he returns to Anchor’s experience: hype can be fleeting and teams must think beyond the previous year. He speculates that OpenSea’s team is doing that work; he does not claim direct knowledge of its plans.

Anchor’s pivot taught him to stop trying to make the world want a preferred product and instead offer something people need that the team is positioned to provide. In Anchor’s case, the team saw demand for easier podcast creation and adapted the technology it had already built.

08

Quick-fire reflections

He discusses family, an admired angel investor and his recent Stardust investment. He describes privacy concerns and a possible broader health-product strategy.

In the rapid-fire round, Mignano says he is reading the first Harry Potter book with his daughter. Parenthood, he says, made priorities clearer and helped him manage time. For marriage and other close relationships, he emphasizes listening and empathy instead of always trying to fix the other person’s problem.

He names Maya Prohovnik, Anchor’s first employee and then a Spotify talk leader, as an underrated angel investor and praises her ability to understand users. He identifies the same intense passion as both a strength and weakness: it helps him master work but can crowd out other parts of life.

Mignano wants it to become easier for people to start companies, an experience he describes as life-changing. He says he has invested in products and services that lower those barriers.

Among his recent angel investments is Stardust, which he describes as a privacy-focused women’s health product initially centered on period tracking. He says he was attracted to its mission-driven founder and the role encryption could play as users seek more control over personal data. He has a financial interest in the company.

He links increased interest in privacy-focused health apps to concerns after the 2022 overturning of Roe v. Wade, describing those events and his own response at the time. His description of the product’s encryption and user behavior is his account, not an independent security audit or verified usage analysis.

Stebbings questions whether period tracking alone can support a very large company. Mignano argues that it can be an initial product within a broader health offering, with adjacent services added over time. This is an investor’s growth thesis for a company he backs, not a forecast of achieved valuation.

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