Phin Barnes on Founder Support, Venture Services and Building a Focused Firm

The General Partnership co-founder explains his service-for-equity model, how he evaluates founders and why he left First Round.

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20VC with Harry Stebbings
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2 oct. 2023
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Phin Barnes joins Harry Stebbings to discuss leaving First Round Capital, building The General Partnership and evaluating early-stage founders. He argues that generic venture platform services can lose value as they scale, and describes his firm's model of earning equity for defined hands-on work. Barnes has a commercial interest in that model and cites his own investments and early portfolio experience. His views on venture performance, founders and market timing are personal judgments rather than established universal rules.

  1. 1Ask about prioritiesBarnes uses questions about a founder's recent week to understand what they value and how they frame challenges.
  2. 2The service-model tensionHe argues that treating support teams as costs can lead firms to spread generic help across too many companies.
  3. 3Work for equityHis firm uses written, time-bound statements of work and earns equity for defined services, with founders able to choose what they need.
  4. 4Founder, traction and timingBarnes prioritizes founders, then looks for real engagement or a reason early customers will adopt now.
  5. 5Beware the missing capabilityHe says his mistakes have included overlooking weaknesses that prevent a founder from using an otherwise exceptional strength.

À retenir

  1. Founder interviews can reveal priorities, motivations and problem-solving style, though they cannot guarantee future performance.
  2. A focused firm must understand its customers and be deliberate about expanding beyond its niche.
  3. Barnes argues that specialized one-to-one help is more useful than generic pooled services for critical founder needs.
  4. The General Partnership separates free advice from defined services delivered in exchange for equity.
  5. Investors should look for meaningful user engagement and market timing rather than relying solely on theoretical market size.
  6. A founder's standout strength may be undermined by a weakness that prevents execution.
  7. Past wins and losses offer lessons, but each new company needs independent judgment.
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01

Leaving First Round and learning the craft

Barnes explains why he chose to build his own firm and how he thinks about integrating work and family. He discusses interviewing founders and the value of focus.

Phin Barnes tells Harry Stebbings that leaving First Round Capital was one of the hardest decisions of his career. He valued the people and the work, but wanted to discover what he could build himself. He says former colleague Josh is an investor in his new fund, The General Partnership.

Barnes describes the question driving him as how far he can go across his whole life, not only professionally. He wants work, parenting, marriage and friendship to fit together. Hard work matters, he says, but thinking can also happen during a run or while attending a child's activities.

His advice to a young venture investor is to focus on work within their control rather than a title on a fixed timetable. He sees interviewing and coaching as skills that can be studied and practiced: an investor must learn how a founder sees the world and later help them work through decisions.

Barnes asks founders questions such as what the best thing that happened at their company was that week. He listens for their priorities, motivations and framing of problems. The answer offers clues about operating style, though any judgment about future leadership remains an educated guess.

Stebbings likes asking how founders first earned money. Barnes recalls mowing lawns as a child and creating a recurring arrangement with neighbors, so he could work after school without waiting for them to be home. The change also left weekends free for basketball.

From AND1 and First Round, Barnes learned the power of knowing a niche customer deeply. He says AND1's expansion into adjacent categories diluted attention from its basketball identity. First Round's focus on a particular stage of founder similarly shaped its product and reputation.

A firm can expand beyond a niche, Barnes says, but should be clear whether it is offering a different service or simply providing capital at a later stage. He sees the risk of losing what made the original offering distinctive. Applied to Stebbings' media business, he distinguishes adjacent product and sales programs from unrelated audience chasing.

02

Venture services and a new model

Barnes critiques pooled venture support and describes The General Partnership's defined services for equity. He explains its approach to recruiting and competition.

Barnes argues that venture's traditional service model has a structural tension. As firms built platform teams to differentiate, recruiting and other help appeared as costs funded by management fees. He believes the pressure to minimize and spread those costs can leave founders receiving increasingly generic or fractional support.

Stebbings suggests firms may also use large support teams to justify larger funds and fees. Barnes says larger funds also reflect a desire to deploy bigger checks, but argues that pooled programs are difficult to tailor to a founder's most important problem. This is his critique of the industry and is connected to the alternative firm he is building.

Barnes thinks useful operating experience can become stale as technology and markets change. He favors current specialists working closely with individual founders. In recruiting, that means one person understanding the role, building a candidate pipeline, managing the process and helping the hire succeed, rather than handing over a list of contacts.

The General Partnership offers recruiting, product, engineering and go-to-market work in exchange for equity. Barnes says the work becomes a revenue source for the firm rather than a cost spread across the portfolio. His description is an explanation of his firm's commercial model, not independent proof that it performs better.

Stebbings asks how personalized work can scale across dozens of companies. Barnes says the goal is service quality for a more concentrated portfolio, not maximum scale. Each engagement has a written statement of work, a defined period and equity earned on delivery; if a founder wants additional work, the parties negotiate a new engagement.

Asked whether the best founders need investors, Barnes answers that great founders need help but not necessarily help from venture capitalists. They seek trusted advice and hands-on support wherever it is strongest. Stebbings says his media and operator network similarly aims to connect founders with expertise he may not personally possess.

When large multistage funds offer more money at a higher valuation, Barnes says a smaller firm must demonstrate a genuinely better product rather than assume it cannot compete. He reports that most of The General Partnership's first 19 early investments were competitive and says the firm was not generally the highest bidder. This is his account of his firm's experience.

Barnes says more experienced founders often understand the value of a critical early hire or a strong product organization and may choose support over the highest headline price. He and Stebbings also discuss the pull of established brands for first-time founders; these are observations, not a rule about founder choices.

The General Partnership separates investment from services, Barnes says, allowing a founder to choose where help is useful. Its team might assist a small founding group with early engineering or recruiting, or help a later company make a critical sales, engineering or design hire. A founder can also take capital and return later for a specific service.

Barnes says some engineers had helped portfolio companies put language models into production. He reports that 15 of the firm's first 19 investments had used services, with some others returning later to request them. These numbers describe an early portfolio snapshot and his firm's own reporting.

03

Seed investing and founder judgment

The conversation covers the 2023 seed market, market timing and early traction. Barnes examines founder-assessment mistakes and lessons from Notion.

On the 2023 seed market, Stebbings argues early prices have remained high despite macro pressure. Barnes says the difficulty may appear at the next round, when a company must stand out to raise. He remains interested in early investments but worries that too much capital can distort a young company's culture.

Asked to rank founder, market, traction and timing, Barnes starts with the founder. When a product exists, he values signs of deep user engagement even if the sample is small. At company formation, he asks why the market is ready for the first customers now rather than relying only on a large theoretical market.

Stebbings argues that a difficult market can overwhelm an excellent founder, citing their experience with an emerging-market investment. Barnes agrees market structure and friction matter, but distinguishes that from overly narrow market sizing. He uses Uber and Notion to argue that a founder can discover a larger opportunity by first solving a real problem.

A founder need not know every later chapter in advance, Barnes says, but should want more than the initial product and execute the first act well. Other founders have described a sequence from the beginning. He cites Persona and a lending company as examples from his investing experience, not as templates every founder must copy.

His own founder-assessment mistakes have often come from overvaluing a striking strength and underestimating a weakness that prevents it being used. A persuasive seller, for example, may articulate a vision without being able to execute. He describes founder quality as depending on several necessary capabilities rather than simply adding up strengths.

Barnes says his early product background drew him to ideas he thought should exist. Working with Notion helped him appreciate how product can drive distribution, become a platform and deepen its value to users over time. He links that lesson to later interests, including Persona and other software businesses.

04

Learning from outcomes and building the firm

Barnes warns against mechanically applying past investment rules and explains his firm's team-based process. He distinguishes free advice from hands-on work.

Stebbings asks how to avoid overgeneralizing from a big win or loss. Barnes suggests treating each startup as distinctive and asking when a rule derived from a prior case might distort the view. Lessons can clarify a decision or make an investor miss what is actually different.

He contrasts an earlier fashion investment, where a founder's deep style knowledge mattered, with the first time he met Warby Parker. The latter's opportunity, he says, centered more on supply chain and distribution than on having the same design background. Applying the first company's rule mechanically would have obscured that difference.

Discussing a difficult emerging-market investment, Barnes recommends examining both what went wrong and what was understood correctly. Stebbings emphasizes low margins and opportunity cost; Barnes agrees an investor might reasonably avoid a category but should recognize what that rule could cause them to miss. Both express personal investment judgments.

The General Partnership aims for a concentrated portfolio rather than complete market coverage. Barnes says its team contributes to sourcing, diligence and support, bringing recruiting and technical expertise directly into founder conversations. He describes involving an engineer in the room instead of passing technical judgments through multiple intermediaries.

Advice is free, Barnes says, while hands-on work is governed by a statement of work and equity arrangement. He portrays this as a clear boundary between a brief conversation and a sustained recruiting, product or go-to-market engagement. The arrangement is part of his firm's business model.

05

Happiness, family and the future

Barnes reflects on parenting, his partnership with Dan Portillo and daily routines. He closes with his aspirations for the firm.

Asked what happiness means, Barnes describes both long-term family relationships and the everyday satisfaction of helping someone he respects. He distinguishes momentary convenience from the joy he feels in parenting or seeing advice make a difference later. These are personal reflections rather than universal definitions.

Barnes recounts how co-founder Dan Portillo had earlier built Sweat Equity Ventures, offering work for equity with Reed Hoffman as an investor. After Barnes left First Round, the two spent roughly 14 months discussing their goals and combined capital with Portillo's service model. Barnes praises Portillo's recruiting ability and discloses the relationship behind the firm.

His aspirational routine includes exercise, breakfast and school trips with his daughter, work, family dinner and time with his wife. He does not claim to follow it perfectly. He believes consistency and genuinely listening to a child help create boundaries and security.

Barnes would like venture capital to return to close one-to-one relationships, whether through his firm's service-for-equity model or other approaches. He names several firms and communities he respects, and says he would choose to speak with Nike founders Bill Bowerman and Phil Knight about their partnership.

Running and cycling give him time alone and feel meditative. Looking ten years ahead, he wants The General Partnership to be recognized for creating valuable opportunities for founders and talented builders. He and Stebbings end by returning to the importance of enjoying the process and relationships, not only measuring outcomes.

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