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A bank’s second legacy-code migration needed 90% less human involvement after Factory’s agent extracted lessons from the first, says co-founder Matan Grinberg. He sees trust as the prerequisite for a software factory that can monitor changes, investigate problems and propose fixes with less supervision. Stronger models have made him more willing to trust their plans, but he argues that the surrounding software and a company’s workflows must also keep changing as models improve.
- 1Messy enterprise code made code generation interestingGrinberg left theoretical physics to work on code generation in industry, where decades-old systems and newer languages coexist. Factory’s stated mission from its first pitch was to bring autonomy to software engineering.
- 2Trust grows as agents handle longer tasks and show useful resultsGrinberg envisions a system that monitors a deployment, tests a suspected problem in an isolated environment and presents a possible fix. He says developers need to configure it for their own organizations.
- 3Lessons from one bank migration reduced involvement in the nextFactory and bank engineers worked together on an initial COBOL modernization while the agent extracted lessons about the bank’s practices. Grinberg says the next migration required 90% less human involvement.
- 4Better planning can reduce the need to inspect every stepGrinberg says he uses Opus for complex planning and has grown more comfortable trusting its plans. He now returns to inspect one only in unusual cases, he says.
- 5The model, its surrounding tools and company workflows all need to evolveGrinberg says stronger models can absorb functions previously handled by the surrounding software. He urges teams to reconsider their setup regularly as capabilities change.
핵심 정리
- Capture what an agent learns from a supervised first project so it can apply those lessons to the next.
- Grinberg says trust grows when people can delegate longer tasks and see meaningful results.
- Revisit the software surrounding an AI model frequently: capabilities that once required extra tooling may move into the model itself.
- When producing more software becomes easier, Grinberg says teams must ask which work actually improves customers’ experience.
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From theoretical physics to autonomous software
Matan Grinberg moved from studying string theory into code generation and founded Factory. He wanted to work on the complexity of large companies’ mixed and aging codebases.
Matan Grinberg thinks technology can give people time to rethink existing work and find a new angle. Models such as Opus and Fable, he says, can take on work that previously occupied much of that time.
Anthropic’s Kai Gill asks Grinberg about his move from studying string theory and ten-dimensional black holes to founding Factory in 2023. Grinberg says he grew up in the Bay Area but initially wanted nothing to do with startups, so he spent about 12 years in theoretical physics.
A seminar on program synthesis, now commonly called code generation, captivated him. By 2023 he felt the most interesting problems required industry: large organizations had codebases combining decades-old systems, newer code, COBOL and Python. Factory’s mission from its first pitch, he says, was to bring autonomy to software engineering and free engineers from lower-leverage work.
Learning to build a company before the market was ready
Grinberg says the early period gave him time to learn how to build a company. He had started with an interest in solving problems rather than experience in hiring, product or sales.
Gill asks what Factory learned during the years when its vision of agents was ahead of the models. Grinberg says the time allowed him to grow into the job. It was his first job, and he knew little about hiring, engineering, product, sales or marketing; had the market been ready immediately, he thinks he might have missed the opportunity.
Building trust in agents that work without constant supervision
Factory’s vision is a software system that monitors changes and investigates problems. A bank’s first supervised COBOL modernization supplied lessons for a second project that needed much less human involvement.
Gill asks about Factory’s vision of Droids, its coding agents, working in a “dark factory” around the clock. Grinberg says that as people delegate tasks taking days or weeks and see meaningful output, they begin to change their habits and build trust in work they do not watch continuously.
His example is a software system that detects a drop in completion rates after a deployment, creates an isolated test environment to investigate, and shows a person a candidate fix before deploying and monitoring again. Developers know their own businesses, he says, so Factory should let them configure the system to fit their organizations.
Grinberg describes a bank modernization involving COBOL, a language used in many older business systems. A Factory engineer worked alongside bank engineers on the first migration while the agent extracted lessons about how that bank worked. For the next migration, he says, human involvement fell by 90%; the bank’s engineers were delighted to spend less time on work they had dreaded.
Stronger planning changes the oversight required
Grinberg uses Opus for complicated planning and says he trusts its plans more than before. As production capacity increases, he thinks people must decide what work actually helps customers.
Asked where agents need the strongest models, Grinberg compares the problem to a company’s CTO: having that person write every line of code would waste their broader context and problem-solving experience. He uses Opus when planning a complicated job with many moving parts.
For Factory, he says, the main benefit of Opus is less human oversight. A bad plan for a long task may only become apparent much later, but he has become comfortable enough to accept plans without always reading them closely. He says he now revisits a plan only in rare, unusual cases.
Some company work has to meet a reliability threshold and used to consume substantial time. Grinberg says Opus and Fable can take on much of it. If a company can ship far more things with the same resources, he asks, will those things actually make customers happier? In his view, people must decide what the company does best and how to deliver it better.
Grinberg finds that shift exciting because people can reconsider assumptions about what they can build. He sees more time to approach a problem from a new angle when models take over tasks that previously filled the working day.
Partnership, safety and the work still ahead
Grinberg describes reliability and safety as priorities in Factory’s partnership with Anthropic. He says models, the software around them and company workflows all need to evolve.
On Factory’s partnership with Anthropic, Grinberg emphasizes reliability, shared priorities and agreement over who should work on which problems. He says the partners want to expand human potential while recognizing safety constraints and taking care in how they explain powerful tools.
Those tools can be frightening because they are powerful, Grinberg says, but he also wants to highlight their benefits and how Factory’s Droid and Claude can improve together. He regards safety as a present problem across AI engineering, not just a concern for a future system.
Asked what still blocks the dark factory, Grinberg describes three concentric circles: the model, the surrounding software that makes it useful, and the company’s workflows. All three are changing quickly. He says a model today can do things that two years earlier required a model plus additional supporting software.
As models become more capable, they can absorb functions previously performed by that surrounding software. Grinberg argues that teams should repeatedly question whether their setup is still optimal, rather than assume a solution that worked last month remains best. A close model-provider partnership can help them understand which gaps to fill in the meantime.
Advice for founders: find a problem that holds your attention
Grinberg tells prospective founders to find something they cannot stop thinking about. He believes current technology makes some previously impractical ambitions more achievable.
For prospective founders, Grinberg says he usually tells people not to start a company if they need his affirmation. His own preference is to become absorbed in a problem: find something that keeps you thinking at night and draws out your curiosity. He believes today’s tools make even some unusually ambitious ideas more achievable than they once were.
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