Yann LeCun on Benchmarks, Interactive Environments, and Why Human Intelligence Is Not General

In a 2019 clip, LeCun defends benchmarks as a test of AI claims, explains why interactive environments break the usual train-test protocol, and argues that "general intelligence" is a misnomer.

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Yann LeCun says anyone claiming to have solved human-level AI should be asked for results on a standard benchmark, though toy tasks can be useful. He describes how interactive environments challenge the assumptions behind supervised learning, and uses an optic-nerve thought experiment and a counting argument over Boolean functions to argue that human intelligence is highly specialized, not general.

  1. 1LeCun's advice is to ask anyone claiming to have a brain-like AI what their error rate is on a standard benchmark. He was struck by how often investors are fooled by people offering "the algorithm of the cortex" for tens of millions of dollars.
  2. 2A benchmark need not be real-world. Toy problems like the bAbI tasks, built to test reasoning and working memory, can be very useful as long as the community accepts them as a standard.
  3. 3The standard supervised protocol assumes samples are independent and exchangeable. In robotics, an action determines the next sample the machine sees, so the usual train, validation and test assumptions break.
  4. 4LeCun dislikes the term AGI because it implies human intelligence is general. His thought experiment is that randomly permuting the optic nerve fibers would leave the visual cortex unable to learn vision, since its hardware is wired for the locality of the real world.
  5. 5With 1 million binary inputs there are 2 to the 2 to the 1 million Boolean functions, and the visual cortex can compute only a tiny sliver. LeCun's point is that we feel general only because we are general over what we can imagine.
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Ask for benchmark numbers before believing claims about human-level AI

The host recalls LeCun's advice not to be fooled by people who claim to have a solution to artificial general intelligence, or to have figured out how the brain works. LeCun's test is to ask for their error rate on MNIST or ImageNet, and the host jokes that this is a little dated. The idea is that benchmarks and practical testing are where ideas actually get tested.

LeCun clarifies that a benchmark may not be completely practical, and it can be a toy dataset, as long as it is a task the community has accepted as a standard. He gives the bAbI tasks, proposed at FAIR years earlier, as a toy problem for testing reasoning and access to working memory that proved useful. What struck him was how many people with money to invest were taken in by pitches such as having the algorithm of the cortex in return for $50 million.

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Interactive environments break the assumptions of supervised learning

The host notes that new ideas may not have benchmarks yet, and asks what benchmarks might move toward reasoning. LeCun says many people are working on interactive environments for training and testing intelligent systems. The classical supervised paradigm splits data into training, validation and test sets, assuming samples are statistically independent and their order does not matter.

That fails when the machine's answer or action decides the next sample, as in robotics. A robot moves to a new room, and where it goes changes what it sees, so samples depend on each other, and moving through space means the next sample probably comes from the same building. All the assumptions behind the train-test hypothesis break once a machine can act on the world.

LeCun says this is where the field is heading. People are setting up artificial environments, such as a robot running around a 3D model of a house and interacting with objects, simulated robotics like OpenAI Gym or MuJoCo, and games.

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Human intelligence is highly specialized, so "general" is the wrong word

LeCun says he does not like the term AGI because it implies human intelligence is general, when it is very specialized and we only like to think of ourselves as general. The host counters that what is impressive is the ability to learn across many domains and integrate that knowledge. LeCun answers with a quasi-mathematical demonstration about the roughly one million fibers in one optic nerve.

If those fibers were binary, the visual cortex would receive one million bits. If you cut the nerve and inserted a device that applied a fixed random permutation, LeCun says there is no way the visual cortex would learn vision to the same quality, even if done in infancy. Neurons there only connect locally, so pixels that are neighbors in the world would land far apart, which shows the hardware is built to support the locality of the real world.

He then counts: with one million binary inputs there are 2 to the 1 million input combinations, and so 2 to the 2 to the 1 million Boolean functions. Only a tiny sliver can be computed by the visual cortex. The host objects that the brain adapts impressively, but LeCun says we feel general because we only consider things we can apprehend.

He compares this to physics. For a gas we know pressure and temperature, which is a tiny number of bits compared with every molecule's position and momentum. What we cannot know we call heat or entropy, and there may be strong structure in it that we are not wired to perceive. He ties it to Kolmogorov complexity, where every bit string is random except those you can write down, and suggests simply calling it artificial intelligence, with human-level meaning "damn impressive".

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