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This short clip is a highlights reel from a longer Cognitive Revolution session in which Nathan Labenz and Yohei Nakajima, the Untapped Capital GP who created BabyAGI, watched Nakajima's TED AI talk on his birthday. Nakajima contrasts a Western habit of treating thoughts as the self with an Eastern habit of treating the mind as a tool, and he shows how that stance shows up in the way he iterates on agents and knowledge graphs. YouTube copyright claims blocked the full video; Labenz points listeners to the audio and Substack versions for the complete conversation.
- 1Nakajima's contrast is blunt: Western identity tends to treat thoughts as who you are; Eastern cultures more often treat the mind as a tool and thoughts as its output. Meditation and enlightenment, in that frame, are training in how to use the tool.
- 2His practical wish as a VC is to turn email, texts, Twitter follows, and web reading into a structured graph of people, entities, and events. The point is to see, at a glance, whom to contact and which introductions to make.
- 3His method for the next version of BabyAGI, or any AI tool, is not a clever architecture first. He runs a prototype over and over with different prompts until something clicks: a thing he would do that the system is not doing.
- 4He is testing an autonomous CRM on *Game of Thrones* Wikipedia recaps, adding one episode at a time. Alliances and enmities change, so a graph cannot freeze a person as a single fixed description.
- 5He wants identity talked about as your place in a larger system, not as a purely internal answer to "who am I."
- 6Ant studies treat trails as part of the colony's intelligence, not as a property of one ant. If human society is the identity, then computers, technologies, and the internet belong to that collective mind — and so, by extension, does AI.
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A birthday viewing of a TED AI talk could not stay on YouTube
Nathan Labenz welcomes back Yohei Nakajima, builder of AI agents and a venture investor, for a special episode of *The Cognitive Revolution*. When Nakajima first appeared on the show in October, he had just recorded a talk at the TED AI event. By mid-January that talk was public, so the two of them sat down on the morning of Nakajima's birthday, watched it in full, and paused along the way to unpack the themes he raises about identity and how Eastern and Western cultures relate to large language models.
Labenz says it was a great conversation. Unfortunately, when they tried to upload the video to YouTube they received a copyright strike they have not been able to resolve. The clip on this page is only a few minutes of highlights. He asks viewers to go to cognitiverevolution.ai for the audio, to subscribe to the audio channel, and to watch the full video on the show's Substack. He thanks Nakajima for suggesting the format and then cuts to the excerpts.
He treats the mind as a tool, then builds graphs the same way he watches agent logs
The first excerpt is the identity claim that organizes the talk. Nakajima says Western identity tends to treat thoughts as who you are, so the mind and its thoughts *are* the self. Eastern cultures, as he feels them, treat the mind and the brain more as a tool to control, and thoughts as an output of that tool. Meditation and enlightenment, in that picture, are really about learning how to leverage the tool. He is not offering a census of Japan. He is describing the stance that changed how AI looks to him.
That stance has a concrete job attached to it. As emails, texts, Twitter follows, and websites stream past him, he wants all of it converted into a structured knowledge graph of people, entities, and events. From that graph it should be easier to see whom to reach out to and which introductions to make. He has already seen early tools that help groups understand each other or find non-obvious commonalities, and he thinks treating AI as an instrument for that work will surface ideas that make the future less bleak than some people currently imagine.
Labenz asks him to go behind the scenes on how the work actually happens. For the next version of BabyAGI, or any AI tool, Nakajima's procedure is stubbornly simple. After a first prototype, he runs it over and over with different prompts and examples and watches it do things until something clicks: wait, here is a thing I would do that it is not doing. A lot of what he wants to retrieve is already online, and he has found that GPTs or Assistants can be told to run a site-specific web browse, which is a cheap way to put retrieval over a website without building a separate index.
Identity is a place in a system, from a Japanese greeting to an ant's trail
The most specific prototype in the clip is an autonomous CRM. Nakajima is testing it on *Game of Thrones* episode descriptions from Wikipedia, uploading one recap at a time so the backend can build a knowledge graph episode by episode and season by season. Relationships in the story are not a single fixed description: a person can be aligned with someone and later become an enemy. A graph that cannot update those edges is not a model of identity as it actually works, in Westeros or in a venture inbox.
He wants people to stop treating "who am I" as a purely internal question and start seeing identity as a place in a larger system. Only after growing up, he says, did he really appreciate how much philosophy is embedded in Japanese, which uses Chinese characters that carry their own meanings. The everyday greeting *genki desu ka* is a casual "how are you," but the characters split into *gen* for root and *ki* for energy: how's your root energy? That is, for him, a very philosophical way to ask someone how they are doing. Labenz notes that a traditional Western background makes it natural to think of ourselves primarily as individuals, then to treat a language model as a strange other that must be assigned a role.
What Nakajima did not get into in the TED talk, and adds here, is the ant-colony research. When those studies look at how ants interact, they also look at the trails ants leave as part of the colony's communication. A trail does not belong to a single ant; once the colony is the identity, the trails and the tools they use to communicate become part of that collective intelligence. Look at Nakajima as an individual and his computer is not part of his mind. Look at human society as a collective intelligence and computers, technologies, and the internet become part of that identity. The implication, left almost unspoken, is that AI sits on the same line.
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