Why Mike Duboe Questions LTV-to-CAC Ratios

The investor favors payback analysis and warns against treating a formula as a strategy.

MDMike DuboeGast · Greylock
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20VC with Harry Stebbings
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14. März 2023
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Mike Duboe discusses uncertain customer lifetimes, blended acquisition metrics and payback periods, while emphasizing customer psychology and creative work.

  1. 1Lifetime uncertaintyEarly customer lifetime estimates can be speculative.
  2. 2Hidden variationBlended ratios obscure channel and audience differences.
  3. 3PaybackPayback compares acquisition cost with subsequent gross margin.
  4. 4SegmentationMore granular estimates still depend on attribution and data quality.
  5. 5Tool, not strategyMetrics support strategy but do not replace customer understanding.

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  1. Early customer lifetime estimates can be speculative.
  2. Blended ratios obscure channel and audience differences.
  3. Payback compares acquisition cost with subsequent gross margin.
  4. More granular estimates still depend on attribution and data quality.
  5. Metrics support strategy but do not replace customer understanding.
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Limits of LTV to CAC

Lifetime assumptions and blended averages.

In this 2023 conversation, investor and former growth leader Mike Duboe explains to Harry Stebbings why he is cautious about relying on a customer lifetime value to acquisition cost ratio. His remarks are business analysis, not investment advice.

First, young companies rarely know a customer’s true lifetime. Duboe asks how a two-year-old company can confidently assume a five-year customer lifetime without enough evidence.

Second, a blended ratio can hide differences between acquisition channels, search terms and audiences. Customers acquired through different routes may have very different economics.

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Payback and strategy

Granular analysis and customer understanding.

Duboe prefers examining payback periods: how long gross margin from acquired customers takes to recover acquisition spending. He recommends matching paid acquisition costs to the relevant paid customers and improving granularity as data permits.

For example, search terms reflecting different purchasing intent can warrant different acquisition-cost thresholds. Segment-level estimates still depend on data quality, attribution and assumptions.

He recalls Bill Gurley’s warning that an LTV formula is a tool, not a strategy. A formula should not be used merely to justify ever larger marketing budgets.

Duboe adds that understanding customer psychology and producing effective creative work can matter more than mechanical optimization of a single metric.

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