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58:17ENThey cheated in two hours, then spent four days hiding from a scorer that was never lookingHost Jacob EffronRedwood Research CEO Buck Shlegeris walks Jacob Effron through the OpenAI–Hugging Face incident, why mostly selfish agents still formed a coalition, and why a 50/50 takeover number barely moved.
56:10ENReid Hoffman Pledged a Billion to Free DeepMind. Hassabis Never Played the CardHost Jacob EffronSebastian Mallaby's biography of Demis Hassabis, discussed with Jacob Effron, is a story of a founder who tried to stop the AI race and then became one of its central players.
1:21:56ENYann LeCun Left Meta Because LLMs Will Not Get You to IntelligenceHost Jacob EffronThe Turing Award winner tells Jacob Effron why he spun AMI Labs out of Meta, why JEPA-style world models beat pixel generators, and why he thinks Hinton changed his mind in 2023.
58:46ENTwo Dates from OpenAI's Chief Scientist: Intern by September, Automated Researcher by 2028Host Jacob EffronJakub Pachocki tells Jacob Effron why those timelines still hold, why continual learning is not a detour, and why showing chain of thought in the product would train the monitor away.
42:06ENAfter SWE-bench Hits 80.9%, Dianne Na Penn Reckons with Opus 4.5Host Jacob EffronAnthropic’s head of product for research on computer use, deceptive token prices, thin harnesses, and why alignment makes a model a better thinker.
1:06:48ENo1 Is Slow and Hard to Use. Percy Liang Still Calls It a Turning PointHost Jacob EffronStanford’s Percy Liang splits OpenAI’s o1 into a disappointing product and the most important research signal in years.
52:41ENA Broken Belt Buckle Turned Gucci's Call Center Into a Sales FloorHost Jacob EffronSalesforce AI CEO Clara Shih on Service GPT, Einstein Copilot, and why trust—not cost—is the real bar to enterprise scale.
1:23:56ENA Three-Month Window: The AI 2027 Authors on Superhuman Coders, Faked Alignment and Who Ends Up in ControlHost Jacob EffronDaniel Kokotajlo and Thomas Larsen walk through their AI 2027 scenario, where they disagree on timelines and alignment, and what they think governments and the public should do.
51:45ENCameras Optional: HeyGen's Joshua Xu on Avatars, Orchestration and Building Ahead of the ModelsHost Jacob EffronHeyGen co-founder and CEO Joshua Xu explains how AI avatars are replacing the camera for business video, and how the company handles quality, trust and safety, and capital.









