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55:13ENThe Best AI Scores 39% on This Test. Zapier’s Co-Founder Put $1 Million on Beating ItFrançois Chollet designed ARC to measure skill-acquisition efficiency; five years later humans still crush it and frontier models do not.
1:22:59ENIf Your Agent Is Right 80% of the Time, Ten Steps Leave You With 10%Host Nathan LabenzImbue CTO Josh Albrecht tells Nathan Labenz how a 27-person, pre-product research company is putting $200 million and 10,000 H100s toward agents that can actually finish a long job.
2:00:19EN1.5 Million GPT-4 Fairy Tales Let a 33-Million-Parameter Model Out-Reason GPT-2Host Nathan LabenzTry this fill-in: Lily likes cats and dogs. She asked her mom for a dog. Mom said no, so she asked for a…
1:00:36ENForty games of Diplomacy, and nobody spotted the bot: Noam Brown’s 100,000x lessonHost Sarah Guo, Elad GilMeta’s Noam Brown tells Sarah Guo and Elad Gil how Cicero negotiated in English for 40 games on a tiny web community — and why thinking at decision time beat three years of scaling.
1:26:21ENThe Machine Should Never Treat Its Objective as GospelGuest Stuart Russell · Host Lex FridmanStuart Russell talks with Lex Fridman about metareasoning, self-driving reliability, and why uncertainty about human goals is the core of the control problem.
1:45:49ENTrust at Scale: Elicit's Founders on Reasoning Languages, World Models and Automating the CompanyHost Nathan LabenzAndreas Stuhlmüller and Jungwon Byun explain how Elicit keeps frontier models checkable for high-stakes science, and where they think AI reasoning is heading.
15:01ENDeep Learning Is a System 1 Machine: Daniel Kahneman on What AI Still LacksGuest Daniel Kahneman · Host Lex FridmanThe Nobel-winning psychologist tells Lex Fridman how his fast-and-slow thinking framework maps onto deep learning, and why driving among pedestrians may require understanding people.
10:16ENReasoning Without Logic: Yann LeCun on Teaching Neural Networks to ThinkGuest Yann Lecun · Host Lex FridmanYann LeCun explains why he believes neural networks can reason, and what memory, recurrence and continuous representations would need to look like.
58:57ENWhen the Model Learns to Look Around: Apollo Research on Testing o1 for SchemingHost Nathan LabenzApollo Research founder Marius Hobbhahn explains how his team probed OpenAI's o1 for deception, what it found, and why the trajectory worries him more than the model itself.
57:25ENFrom RAG to Reasoning: Why the Future of AI Is a System, Not a ModelHost Jacob EffronDouwe Kiela explains what OpenAI's o1 reveals about test-time compute, why enterprise AI must be specialized, and where post-training and evaluations are heading.
10:34ENWhy Deep Learning Needs Rules: Chollet on Interpolation, Abstraction and Hybrid AIGuest François Chollet · Host Lex FridmanFrançois Chollet explains why neural networks only interpolate between points they have seen, and why the best AI systems pair them with symbolic rules.
1:03:10ENPause Tokens, Analogical Prompts and Ring Attention: A Tour of the Transformer's Next UpgradesHost Nathan LabenzNathan Labenz and Trey Kollmer walk through five recent papers on pausing, backspacing, prompting, streaming and long-context training, and sketch how they might combine into a more capable model.






