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53:48ENThe Builders· Oct 29, 2026Mustafa Suleyman on AI Consciousness, Containment, and Human ControlGuest Mustafa Suleyman · Host Walter IsaacsonIn a conversation with Walter Isaacson, Microsoft AI’s CEO explains his disagreement over model welfare and the safeguards he believes increasingly capable systems need.
42:06ENThe Builders· Oct 27, 2026Dario and Daniela Amodei on Building Anthropic, AI Safety, and Human MeaningGuest Dario Amodei, Daniela Amodei · Host Walter IsaacsonThe Anthropic co-founders discuss the roots of their partnership, the challenge of keeping AI systems honest, and the choices facing a world of more capable models.