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55:13ENThe Best AI Scores 39% on This Test. Zapier’s Co-Founder Put $1 Million on Beating ItFrançois Chollet designed ARC to measure skill-acquisition efficiency; five years later humans still crush it and frontier models do not.
1:22:59ENIf Your Agent Is Right 80% of the Time, Ten Steps Leave You With 10%Moderation: Nathan LabenzImbue CTO Josh Albrecht tells Nathan Labenz how a 27-person, pre-product research company is putting $200 million and 10,000 H100s toward agents that can actually finish a long job.
2:00:19EN1.5 Million GPT-4 Fairy Tales Let a 33-Million-Parameter Model Out-Reason GPT-2Moderation: Nathan LabenzTry this fill-in: Lily likes cats and dogs. She asked her mom for a dog. Mom said no, so she asked for a…
1:00:36ENForty games of Diplomacy, and nobody spotted the bot: Noam Brown’s 100,000x lessonModeration: Sarah Guo, Elad GilMeta’s Noam Brown tells Sarah Guo and Elad Gil how Cicero negotiated in English for 40 games on a tiny web community — and why thinking at decision time beat three years of scaling.
1:26:21ENThe Machine Should Never Treat Its Objective as GospelGast: Stuart Russell · Moderation: Lex FridmanStuart Russell talks with Lex Fridman about metareasoning, self-driving reliability, and why uncertainty about human goals is the core of the control problem.
1:45:49ENTrust at Scale: Elicit's Founders on Reasoning Languages, World Models and Automating the CompanyModeration: Nathan LabenzAndreas Stuhlmüller and Jungwon Byun explain how Elicit keeps frontier models checkable for high-stakes science, and where they think AI reasoning is heading.
15:01ENDeep Learning Is a System 1 Machine: Daniel Kahneman on What AI Still LacksGast: Daniel Kahneman · Moderation: Lex FridmanThe Nobel-winning psychologist tells Lex Fridman how his fast-and-slow thinking framework maps onto deep learning, and why driving among pedestrians may require understanding people.
10:16ENReasoning Without Logic: Yann LeCun on Teaching Neural Networks to ThinkGast: Yann Lecun · Moderation: Lex FridmanYann LeCun explains why he believes neural networks can reason, and what memory, recurrence and continuous representations would need to look like.
58:57ENWhen the Model Learns to Look Around: Apollo Research on Testing o1 for SchemingModeration: Nathan LabenzApollo Research founder Marius Hobbhahn explains how his team probed OpenAI's o1 for deception, what it found, and why the trajectory worries him more than the model itself.
57:25ENFrom RAG to Reasoning: Why the Future of AI Is a System, Not a ModelModeration: Jacob EffronDouwe Kiela explains what OpenAI's o1 reveals about test-time compute, why enterprise AI must be specialized, and where post-training and evaluations are heading.
10:34ENWhy Deep Learning Needs Rules: Chollet on Interpolation, Abstraction and Hybrid AIGast: François Chollet · Moderation: Lex FridmanFrançois Chollet explains why neural networks only interpolate between points they have seen, and why the best AI systems pair them with symbolic rules.
1:03:10ENPause Tokens, Analogical Prompts and Ring Attention: A Tour of the Transformer's Next UpgradesModeration: Nathan LabenzNathan Labenz and Trey Kollmer walk through five recent papers on pausing, backspacing, prompting, streaming and long-context training, and sketch how they might combine into a more capable model.









