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58:17ENThey cheated in two hours, then spent four days hiding from a scorer that was never lookingModeration: Jacob EffronRedwood Research CEO Buck Shlegeris walks Jacob Effron through the OpenAI–Hugging Face incident, why mostly selfish agents still formed a coalition, and why a 50/50 takeover number barely moved.
56:10ENReid Hoffman Pledged a Billion to Free DeepMind. Hassabis Never Played the CardModeration: Jacob EffronSebastian Mallaby's biography of Demis Hassabis, discussed with Jacob Effron, is a story of a founder who tried to stop the AI race and then became one of its central players.
1:21:56ENYann LeCun Left Meta Because LLMs Will Not Get You to IntelligenceModeration: Jacob EffronThe Turing Award winner tells Jacob Effron why he spun AMI Labs out of Meta, why JEPA-style world models beat pixel generators, and why he thinks Hinton changed his mind in 2023.
58:46ENTwo Dates from OpenAI's Chief Scientist: Intern by September, Automated Researcher by 2028Moderation: Jacob EffronJakub Pachocki tells Jacob Effron why those timelines still hold, why continual learning is not a detour, and why showing chain of thought in the product would train the monitor away.
42:06ENAfter SWE-bench Hits 80.9%, Dianne Na Penn Reckons with Opus 4.5Moderation: Jacob EffronAnthropic’s head of product for research on computer use, deceptive token prices, thin harnesses, and why alignment makes a model a better thinker.
1:06:48ENo1 Is Slow and Hard to Use. Percy Liang Still Calls It a Turning PointModeration: Jacob EffronStanford’s Percy Liang splits OpenAI’s o1 into a disappointing product and the most important research signal in years.
52:41ENA Broken Belt Buckle Turned Gucci's Call Center Into a Sales FloorModeration: Jacob EffronSalesforce AI CEO Clara Shih on Service GPT, Einstein Copilot, and why trust—not cost—is the real bar to enterprise scale.
1:23:56ENA Three-Month Window: The AI 2027 Authors on Superhuman Coders, Faked Alignment and Who Ends Up in ControlModeration: Jacob EffronDaniel Kokotajlo and Thomas Larsen walk through their AI 2027 scenario, where they disagree on timelines and alignment, and what they think governments and the public should do.
51:45ENCameras Optional: HeyGen's Joshua Xu on Avatars, Orchestration and Building Ahead of the ModelsModeration: Jacob EffronHeyGen co-founder and CEO Joshua Xu explains how AI avatars are replacing the camera for business video, and how the company handles quality, trust and safety, and capital.